Curse

Commander Kanen · Mar 17, 2008, 05:46 AM // 05:46

Hey does anyone other than me want to see shield mods with +45 while under the affects of a chant or shout and -2 damage while under a chant or shout.

It seems a good idea as there is conditional bonuses as +45 while in a stance or enchanded and so on....

Seems like paragons got left out a tiny bit

Kyrein · Mar 17, 2008, 05:54 AM // 05:54

1 para can keep the whole party under a chant/shout indefinitely

overpowered

Asha Rai · Mar 17, 2008, 05:55 AM // 05:55

/signed

Would also like to see a shouts last 20% longer mod

A11Eur0 · Mar 17, 2008, 06:03 AM // 06:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kyrein

1 para can keep the whole party under a chant/shout indefinitely

overpowered

And anyone using a shield with under stance/enchantment mods on it is probably using a build that keeps him/her stanced or enchanted indefinitely...aside from removal skills.

To go with this, introduce skills that remove shouts or chants from a foe.

Commander Kanen · Mar 17, 2008, 06:07 AM // 06:07

Yeah its a nice idea, however there are skills which prevent the use of shouts/chants and a skill that deals damage to foes using shouts/chants so its not win win already....

Gift3d · Mar 17, 2008, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Shouts/chants... no. Echo... possibly, but still not probable.

HawkofStorms · Mar 17, 2008, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

And anyone using a shield with under stance/enchantment mods on it is probably using a build that keeps him/her stanced or enchanted indefinitely...aside from removal skills.

And you hit the nail on the head.
/notsigned
Overpowered since chant/shouts have no dirrect counters to be removed. You'd think a.net would have learned with weapon spells that unstripable buffs are a bad idea. But no, they had to introduce the paragon and imbalance the game forever.

Esan · Mar 17, 2008, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

You'd think a.net would have learned with weapon spells that unstripable buffs are a bad idea. But no, they had to introduce the paragon and imbalance the game forever.

What makes (some) shouts and chants overpowered is not their unstrippability but their unlimited stackability. A lot of subsequent hacks (eg. armor cap) have been introduced to address this fault.

Kyrein · Mar 17, 2008, 06:40 AM // 06:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by A11Eur0

And anyone using a shield with under stance/enchantment mods on it is probably using a build that keeps him/her stanced or enchanted indefinitely...aside from removal skills.

can one monk keep the WHOLE PARTY enchanted indefinitely, without worrying about removals?

didn't think so.......

a para can do that with shouts

Buddhaofwar · Mar 17, 2008, 06:49 AM // 06:49

could they possibly set it up so you only receive the 45hp if it is your own shout/chant/echo?
that seems a bit more balanced to me.

/signed with modifications

Charr · Mar 17, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

Do you guys really think that -2 physical damage and +15 HP (usually they already have +30 HP on their shield) while under the efect of a shout will be so unbalancing to the game?
The main reason I want to see this type of inscription is beacuse Paragons don't have neither enchantments nor stances so if they want to fully use their shield they have to rely on their secondary profession.

Esan · Mar 17, 2008, 06:53 AM // 06:53

How about a +5 HP for every shout and chant (maximum of +45)? It's quite rare to find 9+ shouts active at once.

Kyrein · Mar 17, 2008, 06:57 AM // 06:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

How about a +5 HP for every shout and chant (maximum of +45)? It's quite rare to find 9+ shouts active at once.

you want to BUFF the 8 imbagon team????

nobody else would use it

Esan · Mar 17, 2008, 07:04 AM // 07:04

What? My suggestion is less drastic than the OP's. Read first, type second.

Kyrein · Mar 17, 2008, 07:26 AM // 07:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esan

What? My suggestion is less drastic than the OP's. Read first, type second.

if someone proposes to nerf pvp, do you go ahead and suggest they nerf just 2 arenas instead?

by your logic, it's less drastic, therefore it is good

Racthoh · Mar 17, 2008, 07:36 AM // 07:36

It's too good. Your typical PvP gon would have Anthem of Flame and "Go For The Eyes!" on their bar. Any caster would never trigger Anthem of Flame, and only very rarely trigger "Go For The Eyes!" meaning you will always have the +45 health. Your typical PvE gon mashes the "Save Yourselves!" button or loads like 7 chants/shouts with a res so +45 health for them too.

RhanoctJocosa · Mar 17, 2008, 07:37 AM // 07:37

racthoh speaks the truth

JR · Mar 17, 2008, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Shouts and chants can't be removed, enchantments can. Stances are much more difficult to keep up non stop (without a gimped bar), and can also be removed.

What Racthoh said. End of thread.

D8tura · Mar 17, 2008, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asha Rai

/signed

Would also like to see a shouts last 20% longer mod

while we're at it let's have staff/wand mods of hexing 20%

Artorius.Maximus · Mar 17, 2008, 06:25 PM // 18:25

Paragons can have full use of their shield, HP+30, Luck of the Draw (-5. 20% chance).

Until shouts/chants can be removed, /notsigned